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April 9, 2009 12:28 PM PDT

Segway gives us a lift in the PUMA

by Wayne Cunningham

Segway GM PUMA

The PUMA speeds along the floor of the New York auto show.

(Credit: Sarah Tew/CNET)

Buzzing around the floor of the 2009 New York auto show, is the PUMA--the result of a collaboration between Segway and GM. We had a chance to ride in the vehicle, an electric-powered two seater. PUMA stands for Personal Urban Mobility and Accessibility, and works on similar principles as the Segway Personal Transporter. Where on the Personal Transporter, you lean forward to make it go, the PUMA's steering column has to be pushed, which causes the entire cab to slide to the front and move weight forward, making the PUMA go.

PUMA steering wheel

Push the steering wheel forward, and the whole cabin shifts.

(Credit: Sarah Tew/CNET)

The driver of the PUMA cautioned us to keep our legs loose--as the cabin shifted--and then we were off. The vehicle picked up a good amount of speed until the driver pulled back on the wheel, shifting our weight again and slowing it down. It was hard to believe we were traveling on two wheels, as it felt very balanced. (There are auxiliary wheels, with two on the rear for safety and two in front to support the PUMA when it is stopped.)

Turning was very smooth: as the driver turned the little wheel, power diverted to the outside wheel, letting the PUMA turn almost on a dime. Coming to a stop felt like the end of a roller coaster ride, as the PUMA leaned forward sharply and the cabin shifted again. A Segway representative came over and lifted up a safety bar.

Toyota i-Real

Toyota showed off the i-Real at the 2007 Tokyo auto show.

(Credit: CNET)

The PUMA is supposed to go up to 35 mph, with a range of 35 miles. A Segway representative told us that, after a full day of demonstration rides, the battery was only half-drained. The PUMA weighs 400 pounds, but is a very early model, with a second generation due to come out in the fall. GM initially approached Segway about the collaboration 18 months ago, but the PUMA on display was developed and built at the Segway plant in only 90 days.

GM isn't the first car company to develop a personal mobility vehicle. Japanese car companies have been at it for a long time. During the 2007 Tokyo auto show, we saw examples from both Toyota and Suzuki.

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by mrisnow April 9, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
It should be called the Chupathingy!
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by Hi_ April 9, 2009 1:17 PM PDT
Seriously, it looks like a trash can on wheels. If there is not more thought given to the design, this will not even match the meager popularity level of the Segway. Great hype, poor follow through.
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by OlsonBW April 10, 2009 8:44 AM PDT
This was designed in 90 days and second version is coming out this fall. PLEASE read the ****ing article. Seriously.
by bhartman35 April 9, 2009 2:19 PM PDT
I'm in a wheelchair, and I kind of like this idea as a way to get around longish distances, but the big problem with this design (for whelchair users, anyway) is that there's no space in the vehicle for storage. It's of limited utility if I don't have a chair to sit in when I get where I'm going.
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by viper396 April 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
It's designed to seat two people but that doesn't mean you actually have to have two people in it. Throw a bin and a few tie down on the second seat and there's your storage. You could probable strap your wheelchair to the back of it. (Although the uneven weight distribution may throw off gyroscopic balancing mechanism if it wasn't adjusted properly)
by colamix April 9, 2009 3:08 PM PDT
I can appreciate the Toyota i-Real parallel. However, GM is on bailout money and heading towards bankruptcy. They shouldn't be wasting time, resources and money on flights of fancy. Besides, this is no Urban Vehicle. I mean, where is one supposed to put the groceries or a briefcase even?
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by b_baggins April 10, 2009 6:41 AM PDT
You don't get it. This is what the Obama administration WANTS you to b driving. Government Motors is making this because they have been ordered to. This is the kind of thing Obama means when he says he's going to overhaul GM to meet new global needs.
by OlsonBW April 10, 2009 8:50 AM PDT
Or ... in actual reality, this collaboration was actually BEFORE GM starting having a whole bunch of problems. This was not done with bail out money.

This isn't a flight of fancy. If you have ever seen a movie about asia you might have seen something called a Rickshaw. This is a 21st century version of that where you don't have a person pulling you around. It is also faster (up to 35 mph and can go up to 35 miles).

If you live in a big city, I mean in it and not in the fringes, this is a great vehicle for getting around. It uses no gas or other type of fuel that causes polution, takes up little space making it easy to park (almost anywhere which is HUGE).

Not everything is made for YOU. Think about other places in the country, cities in this case, where it could be a big thing.
by colamix April 10, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
At a fraction of the cost, there are more efficient two, three and four wheeled vehicles already filling the niche you describe. I won't get into the practical reasons the original Segway is a retail failure, there are simply too many. But the fact GM is overlooking these is telling.

Perhaps this 'thing' you describe as a modern day rickshaw was developed prior to GM receiving bailouts. However they are facing bankruptcy now and wasting time, resources and money entertaining this rickshaw's prospects is ridiculous.
by sparksnark April 9, 2009 3:15 PM PDT
That "safety bar" looks a lot more like a "neck injury bar".
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by Nicole Lee April 9, 2009 4:06 PM PDT
It looks like this is people who don't want a car, who don't want to ride a bicycle, and who don't want to take public transit.

Which seems kind of niche.
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by Jakob Malkovich April 10, 2009 3:13 AM PDT
That is true for the US, but in Europe and Asia parking is a HUGE issue, and these concepts are just what a doctor ordered. If they manage to turn out these thing in reasonable time ad at an affordable price, I think they're on the road to surpass recession.
by TonyV1963 April 9, 2009 4:16 PM PDT
Brown-nose much CNET?

Seriously, how is this any different than the Segway fail? How is using two wheels any better than 3 or 4? Why not allow GM to spend billions of taxpayer dollars to perfect a unicycle version of this device? I'll tell you why. Because 3 or 4 wheels work just fine.

Waste waste waste waste waste waste waste. Shouldn't technology be all about making it LESS wasteful?
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by OlsonBW April 10, 2009 8:54 AM PDT
That's assuming that the Segway did fail. Which it didn't. It didn't take the public by storm because it costs between 5 & 6 thousand dollars. Companies on the other hand have bought quite a few of them. Once they can get the price down to about 1200 dollars they will start selling.
by TonyV1963 April 10, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
Olsen: That's actually kind of funny, because it's obvious Segway did fail (they haven't sold enough to make a profit, and in fact laws to restrict their use in 30 states, and their outright banned in the UK), and your declaration that "once they can get the price down" from $6000 to $1200 is just too precious. LOLOL!!!!
by thinkerer April 9, 2009 4:17 PM PDT
This should be bronzed and put in a museum as the artistic interpretation of GM's fatal groupthink design mentality.
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by mjkinnyc April 9, 2009 5:26 PM PDT
Why does this beat WALKING to a Subway stop or a bus stop in any way, shape or form? How does this beat bicycling or rollerblading? Skateboarding? And where do you park it at night or when you get to your destination during the day? In a fictitious garage paying $250/month to park'n'charge???

Who did the case study that people NEED this???
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by OlsonBW April 10, 2009 8:55 AM PDT
Another person here that can't see the forest from the trees.

The PUMA has a maximum speed of 35 mph and a range of 35 miles.

Exactly when was the last time you were able to run 35 mph (without a vehicle or on a bike) and go 35 miles. Guess what. It wasn't made for you to go from where you work to the subway.

Next time THINK a little before you post.
by getsix April 9, 2009 6:06 PM PDT
i dont think is trade my Harley in for it looks like a wheel chair with a roll bar
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by ikramerica--2008 April 9, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
As was pointed out on the radio: we've had electric golf carts for 20 years. Why not just improve those?

Four wheel steering and bigger segway wheels combined with four wheel independent motive power and lighter construction with crash protection could make the golf cart a much more nimble vehicle. And golf carts can be fitted with wheel chair storage, can carry groceries (I know as I used to carry food orders in one at Universal Studios), and in a pinch can carry five people up a very steep grade to see the 12:01 premiere of Star Wars: Episode 1 at CityWalk...
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by OlsonBW April 10, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
Do YOU have four legs? Why not? Because maybe for some species four legs aren't as good as two?

Well let's see. The Segway and PUMA have two wheels. Maybe for this device that is actually better. It isn't trying to be a golf cart no is it trying to haul a wheel chair. At least not in this version. Yes you can cary groceries. There is a second seat and there is the floor. You might also be able to attach storage to the back of the PUMA. They didn't have that on the first Segway but you can buy one for holding golf clubs now. Note that some people have disabilities that don't allow them to walk a whole golf course so this is for them. You don't need it? Then it isn't for you.
by ikramerica--2008 April 10, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
The first sentence of your reply makes the rest not worth reading.

These are vehicles, not species, and most nimble, fast and efficient species have four legs anyway...

And these kind of products work well in factories, as beach patrols in Santa Monica, and on SIDEWALKS, they are ridiculous to contemplate as a vehicle to go against a car in areas of like safety and practicality.
by ikramerica--2008 April 9, 2009 11:28 PM PDT
Another thing about that design. Might be comfortable on smooth carpets of an auto show, but not a city street. Segways absorb impacts through your legs, which are natural shock absorbers. This device has a seat, but no visible shock absorption, and the wheels hardly have enough play in them for this purpose either. Think about riding a bicycle, even with shocks. Jars your body over rough roads unless you stand up on the peddles...
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by MadisonSuicide April 10, 2009 5:51 AM PDT
wouldn't you get more battery life out of it if you dropped the complex giro keeping it upright and balanced and solved it with something else like, oh i don't know, A WHEEL.
but if the goal is to have 2 wheels only and electric powered that can carry 2 people, than we already have this...its called an electric scooter.
just seems to me we already have everything this is trying to be except to the gimmick factor of the puma.
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by viper396 April 10, 2009 1:20 PM PDT
The electric scooter had it's chance and isn't exactly filling the roads or sidewalks. Heck, over the last few years I've seen more segways then scooters. I do, and still do, think the segways are a gimmick but to be fair you have to look beyond the immediate picture. Their goal is to supplement public and personal transportation and they are trying an idea that may actually lead to something everyone will use. It's alot better then all the people that like to talk about new ideas but never actually follow thru with them.

In many ways the Segway is better then a typical scooter. The gyroscopic mechanism isn't that complex, especially given all the years of developmental improvements it's already had. Simple physics will tell you that less objects (i.e. tires) touching the ground equates to less resistance and more efficiency. A tighter turning radius is also possible with two wheels on the sides versus a Scooter with a traditional front and back wheel placement. You can actually do an immediate 180 spin in a segway versus a traditional scooter that would have to circle to turn around.
by beatts35 April 10, 2009 7:34 AM PDT
This is an interesting and I think viable development by Segway.

First this was done inside of 90 days. Its nowhere near a production model. Just a concept in what their technology can do.

The range is very good for a city or people living in a gated community with stores close by. For colleges, law inforcement, theme parks, corps with a compus sized area etc.

I'm sure the model that is shown in the fall will address some storage and weather issues and a more traditional suspention.

Being able to run 35miles for .60cents a day is pretty fantastic.

Yes, you can use a scooter. You have to balance it yourself. The cost per day to use is much higher. Scooters have more parts and will require more maintance. Plus you and the thousands of others around you are creating polution. The electric scooters are much smaller and don't carry batteries as large as a PUMA device can. There is also no protection from the elements.

If you read any other the other articles they have an iterested networking feature to prevent colision with another vehicle and comunitcate where parking spots are.

2 wheels also require much less material to support it compared to a 4 wheeled vehicle.

Really a green vehicle with maybe more then a niche market.

Look at how many smart cars and prius's there are on the road today. Notice how you don't see near as many Hummers on the road as you did 3 years ago?

People are changing the way they look at what they drive and how. This could add another option to a growing forward thinking market.
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by Krytes April 17, 2009 7:31 AM PDT
I could also use a bicycle for the same purpose. It would use zero electricity and be far cheaper to use than this thing. I'd be able to lock it up anywhere without worrying unduly about it being stolen, and if it _were_ stolen, it would be relatively cheap and easy to replace. I'd also be a lot healthier for the exercise.
The PUMA is an interesting toy (depending on your point of view) and seems intended to spare people the effort of walking or biking on very short pleasure trips throughout the city. It is not a green vehicle and shouldn't be promoted as such.
by Ledoubleu April 10, 2009 10:11 AM PDT
These are the baby steps to re-invent personal transportation in America. For too long we have relied on what is our current standard, large, expensive, polluting vehicles. IMO, we could've been much further along in this technology if we would've been wise enough to start 30 years ago. On the other hand, better late than never. Here's hoping that someday I'll be able to commute from my rural home to work with similarly inexpensive and clean alternatives. Kudos Segway/G/M.
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by viper396 April 10, 2009 1:40 PM PDT
People could have done alot of things different throughout history but there is there a point in dwelling on the Should've, Could've, would've aspect of society? History have proven that most people will never really change and adapt unless there is an immediate need or strong motivation to do so. 30 years ago there was no tangible need and little motivate for change, the air was clean and fuel was cheap.
by Eludium-Q36 April 10, 2009 11:50 AM PDT
Golf cart / meter-maid at best.
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by moviegeek65 April 10, 2009 3:36 PM PDT
Why is my tax money being wasted on this ugly POS?The average person is not going to buy this thing,it weighs 400 pounds so how do you get it in your apartment?At least a bicycle is lighweight and you can lock it up anywhere.
The PUMA can go 35mph for 35 miles?...big deal....so can golf carts,golf carts also have a place to put your groceries or clubs.
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by willdryden April 10, 2009 8:54 PM PDT
The vehicle (and I use the term loosely) will most likely be placed in the catagory of NEVs and will be restricted to 25 MPH on roads with a speed limit of 35 MPH or less. If that is the case, I think they will be a hard sell in the U. S.
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by hnavp66 April 11, 2009 10:03 AM PDT
Looks like a combination of a wheelchair and the thing Capt Pike on Star Trek wheeled around in. Not buying it.
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by ikramerica--2008 April 11, 2009 11:10 AM PDT
beep.
by tcams76 April 11, 2009 1:29 PM PDT
A true low in GM history......why would they preview any road vehicle without basis safety features..i.e. headlights, tail-lights even a prototype. GM engineering is truly is the toilet in 2009................sets a poor example for the young folk.
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